In this episode, we explore two of the most mind-bending and controversial topics of our time: the nature of the cosmos and the truth behind so-called “contact.” These themes—drawn from Mark Gober’s books An End to the Upside Down Cosmos and An End to Upside Down Contact—take us straight into the heart of scientific assumptions, cultural conditioning, and what it really means to seek truth in a world built on inherited narratives. Mark and I dig into why foundational claims about cosmology, physics, and even medicine may not be supported by direct evidence, and how easily our collective worldview can…

